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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://bobondevelopment.com/2007/04/26/another-reason-not-to-buy-dell-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this is responding to a very old comment, but I had to, being someone who has worked graveyard shift for two different companies (food service and call center).  What kind of people are willing to work overnight?  In my experience: people who are naturally night people, college students, people working two jobs to make ends meet, parents who want/need to be home to get the kids off to school and home when they get home from school, people who work an opposite schedule to their spouse so that they don&#039;t have to worry about paying for childcare, people who work an overnight shift because it pays $.50-$2 (sometimes more!) an hour to work a non-standard shift...the list goes on.  Yes, sometimes you do have doped-out stoners, but for the most part those aren&#039;t folks in the call center.  

There&#039;s almost always fierce competition for graves, too.  People WANT that shift and work it well.  Just because people are awake at night doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t or can&#039;t provide reasonable customer service.  And frankly, it&#039;s insulting and unfair to say otherwise.  The only downside of calling during overnight hours, typically, is that often OTHER departments aren&#039;t there, so you may not have the full scope of service (for instance, you might have access to basic technical support, but not advanced; if you&#039;ve had a problem with a face-to-face technician, you&#039;ll have to wait until &quot;normal hours&quot; to talk to dispatch; things like that.)  However, nearly every person I&#039;ve worked with has been happy to do everything that was personally within their power to help--and at the call center I worked in, we actually had a bit more power than day shift folks because of the nature of our hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is responding to a very old comment, but I had to, being someone who has worked graveyard shift for two different companies (food service and call center).  What kind of people are willing to work overnight?  In my experience: people who are naturally night people, college students, people working two jobs to make ends meet, parents who want/need to be home to get the kids off to school and home when they get home from school, people who work an opposite schedule to their spouse so that they don&#8217;t have to worry about paying for childcare, people who work an overnight shift because it pays $.50-$2 (sometimes more!) an hour to work a non-standard shift&#8230;the list goes on.  Yes, sometimes you do have doped-out stoners, but for the most part those aren&#8217;t folks in the call center.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s almost always fierce competition for graves, too.  People WANT that shift and work it well.  Just because people are awake at night doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t provide reasonable customer service.  And frankly, it&#8217;s insulting and unfair to say otherwise.  The only downside of calling during overnight hours, typically, is that often OTHER departments aren&#8217;t there, so you may not have the full scope of service (for instance, you might have access to basic technical support, but not advanced; if you&#8217;ve had a problem with a face-to-face technician, you&#8217;ll have to wait until &#8220;normal hours&#8221; to talk to dispatch; things like that.)  However, nearly every person I&#8217;ve worked with has been happy to do everything that was personally within their power to help&#8211;and at the call center I worked in, we actually had a bit more power than day shift folks because of the nature of our hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Susans</title>
		<link>http://bobondevelopment.com/2007/04/26/another-reason-not-to-buy-dell-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Susans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never gave it any thought that the USA had to contend with Indian call centres too.  We are now 2 months down the line with a problem with 2 home laptops.  One needed a new power port, after X amounts of emails the laptop finally came back about 7 days ago but without a wireless network, the other needs a new hard drive and the courier came to collect a couple of days ago.  The laptop needing the wireless network puting back on is still sitting here as apparently the courier can&#039;t find us as we are so remote (not), wonder how they managed on the last 2 occasions when they came to collect??  I am now so confused that acually I am now sure which laptop is here and which one has been sent away, maybe that&#039;s Dells game plan.  However have used the escallation email so we will see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never gave it any thought that the USA had to contend with Indian call centres too.  We are now 2 months down the line with a problem with 2 home laptops.  One needed a new power port, after X amounts of emails the laptop finally came back about 7 days ago but without a wireless network, the other needs a new hard drive and the courier came to collect a couple of days ago.  The laptop needing the wireless network puting back on is still sitting here as apparently the courier can&#8217;t find us as we are so remote (not), wonder how they managed on the last 2 occasions when they came to collect??  I am now so confused that acually I am now sure which laptop is here and which one has been sent away, maybe that&#8217;s Dells game plan.  However have used the escallation email so we will see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://bobondevelopment.com/2007/04/26/another-reason-not-to-buy-dell-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m with Dellâ€™s Online Community Outreach and having just finished reading that I can honestly say itâ€™s definitely not the norm and is by far one of the worst examples of chat support I have ever seen.  Over the years in Dell Support Iâ€™ve audited many phone calls, chats, and email chains, for quality and there is no reason that session should not have lasted over within a few minutes.  Thereâ€™s no excuse for that, and I can imagine how frustrating that must have been.  Iâ€™ve also pulled the records of it and am looking into this particular session further because I am still at a loss for why this happened.  


Neil
Dell, Inc.
neil@dell.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m with Dellâ€™s Online Community Outreach and having just finished reading that I can honestly say itâ€™s definitely not the norm and is by far one of the worst examples of chat support I have ever seen.  Over the years in Dell Support Iâ€™ve audited many phone calls, chats, and email chains, for quality and there is no reason that session should not have lasted over within a few minutes.  Thereâ€™s no excuse for that, and I can imagine how frustrating that must have been.  Iâ€™ve also pulled the records of it and am looking into this particular session further because I am still at a loss for why this happened.  </p>
<p>Neil<br />
Dell, Inc.<br />
<a href="mailto:neil@dell.com">neil@dell.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Smith</title>
		<link>http://bobondevelopment.com/2007/04/26/another-reason-not-to-buy-dell-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last attempt at purchasing a Dell was for a laptop for my mom.  It was late at night (1:00am or something) and I was feeling buzzed and generous.   I first tried to use their online chat to get my questions answered as I generally despise talking on the phone.  Turns out that the online chat wasn&#039;t 24-hours.

Fine, so I called the sales support.  Just an answering machine with nobody to answer my specific questions.  That&#039;s when I realized that Dell has really gone downhill and I won&#039;t be purchasing from them again.

Shame - they use to have such good deals.

&lt;em&gt;Bob responds: I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d fault any company for not answering the phone at 1 am; I&#039;d be willing to wait until business hours for quality customer service.  For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://falcon-nw.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Falcon Northwest&lt;/a&gt; prides themselves in not having customer service at odd hours, and their reasoning is hard to fault: what kind of people are willing to work the graveyard shift?  Since Falcon built their business on gamers (they do sell business machines now, folks -- hint!) they certainly have more reason than most to be open 24 hours for support, but they choose to pick their battles and do a good job during expanded daytime business hours.

My experience with Falcon tech support has been stellar compared to Dell.  I won&#039;t give Falcon an A plus, because there is still a bit of a tendency to make you go through a lot of diagnostic &quot;hoops&quot; before they are allowed to send you the replacement part you clearly need, and they can be slow to return calls at times; but it is light-years beyond what Dell has become in recent years, that&#039;s safe to say!  And by gosh, they *do* return calls!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last attempt at purchasing a Dell was for a laptop for my mom.  It was late at night (1:00am or something) and I was feeling buzzed and generous.   I first tried to use their online chat to get my questions answered as I generally despise talking on the phone.  Turns out that the online chat wasn&#8217;t 24-hours.</p>
<p>Fine, so I called the sales support.  Just an answering machine with nobody to answer my specific questions.  That&#8217;s when I realized that Dell has really gone downhill and I won&#8217;t be purchasing from them again.</p>
<p>Shame &#8211; they use to have such good deals.</p>
<p><em>Bob responds: I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d fault any company for not answering the phone at 1 am; I&#8217;d be willing to wait until business hours for quality customer service.  For example, <a href="http://falcon-nw.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Falcon Northwest</a> prides themselves in not having customer service at odd hours, and their reasoning is hard to fault: what kind of people are willing to work the graveyard shift?  Since Falcon built their business on gamers (they do sell business machines now, folks &#8212; hint!) they certainly have more reason than most to be open 24 hours for support, but they choose to pick their battles and do a good job during expanded daytime business hours.</p>
<p>My experience with Falcon tech support has been stellar compared to Dell.  I won&#8217;t give Falcon an A plus, because there is still a bit of a tendency to make you go through a lot of diagnostic &#8220;hoops&#8221; before they are allowed to send you the replacement part you clearly need, and they can be slow to return calls at times; but it is light-years beyond what Dell has become in recent years, that&#8217;s safe to say!  And by gosh, they *do* return calls!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Charles C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question - isn&#039;t much of today&#039;s CRM software designed to steer the agent into such cookbook / decision tree approaches?  This enables the software to offer up metrics, etc., manage (minimize) contact work time, etc.  Also allows the agent to mindlessly multitask (work 3-5 contacts active at the same time).

&lt;em&gt;Bob responds: I have no first-hand knowledge of CRM software typically used in telephone customer support scenarios, but have absolutely no difficulty believing that CRM software purchased by such operations has responded to the buyer&#039;s desires.  Customer support centers generally have a misguided desire to turn customer support people into thoughtless monkeys.  Actually I doubt they think of it in those terms, but that&#039;s the net effect.  If you want to see how call centers should work, I highly recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaqna.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the QA Q&amp;A blog&lt;/a&gt;.  If you&#039;re managing customer service, go there, and get wisdom!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question &#8211; isn&#8217;t much of today&#8217;s CRM software designed to steer the agent into such cookbook / decision tree approaches?  This enables the software to offer up metrics, etc., manage (minimize) contact work time, etc.  Also allows the agent to mindlessly multitask (work 3-5 contacts active at the same time).</p>
<p><em>Bob responds: I have no first-hand knowledge of CRM software typically used in telephone customer support scenarios, but have absolutely no difficulty believing that CRM software purchased by such operations has responded to the buyer&#8217;s desires.  Customer support centers generally have a misguided desire to turn customer support people into thoughtless monkeys.  Actually I doubt they think of it in those terms, but that&#8217;s the net effect.  If you want to see how call centers should work, I highly recommend <a href="http://www.qaqna.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the QA Q&#038;A blog</a>.  If you&#8217;re managing customer service, go there, and get wisdom!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Marcelo L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcelo L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word. Outsourcing. 

&#039;nuff said.

&lt;em&gt;Bob responds: As much as I think outsourcing (especially, offshoring) is generally a Very Bad Idea, it isn&#039;t that it&#039;s inherently impossible for it to work, at least as level one support, if it&#039;s properly structured and managed.  It&#039;s just that in the real world, it isn&#039;t usually properly structured and managed, as you can see here.  It&#039;s clear from this transcript that elaborate effort has been expended to train representatives to spout soothing phrases in response to certain stimuli, but absolutely no effort has been made to give them an actual understanding of their task; it is very much a cookbook / decision tree approach.  In this case the goal is not to LISTEN and SATISFY THE CUSTOMER; it&#039;s to quickly pigeon-hole the customer complaint, respond with the closest parroted answer in their play book, rinse and repeat.  Also, in my personal experience, even when the rep is willing and able to understand the issue and provide actual help, they have very little freedom or authority to do anything useful.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word. Outsourcing. </p>
<p>&#8217;nuff said.</p>
<p><em>Bob responds: As much as I think outsourcing (especially, offshoring) is generally a Very Bad Idea, it isn&#8217;t that it&#8217;s inherently impossible for it to work, at least as level one support, if it&#8217;s properly structured and managed.  It&#8217;s just that in the real world, it isn&#8217;t usually properly structured and managed, as you can see here.  It&#8217;s clear from this transcript that elaborate effort has been expended to train representatives to spout soothing phrases in response to certain stimuli, but absolutely no effort has been made to give them an actual understanding of their task; it is very much a cookbook / decision tree approach.  In this case the goal is not to LISTEN and SATISFY THE CUSTOMER; it&#8217;s to quickly pigeon-hole the customer complaint, respond with the closest parroted answer in their play book, rinse and repeat.  Also, in my personal experience, even when the rep is willing and able to understand the issue and provide actual help, they have very little freedom or authority to do anything useful.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the amazing look inside a communication that lost its focus on customer care, Bob. It would be interesting to see the scene played out by an expert customer service leader. What a case study this would make of what NOT to do when it comes to others. Great post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the amazing look inside a communication that lost its focus on customer care, Bob. It would be interesting to see the scene played out by an expert customer service leader. What a case study this would make of what NOT to do when it comes to others. Great post</p>
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